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Arging against the validity of money seems silly. But think it through. Being correct could be very pyrrhic. Think French Revolution and Reign of Terror. Can anybody be ready for that?
LoonyVirgin–> “And in law, the DEPOSITOR is the CREDITOR. EVERY LOAN in the U.S. (including credit cards) operates in this manner. ”
A depositor and debtor are two COMPLETELY different things! lol
So let me get this straight, if I scribble something down on a piece of paper and hand it to you, that NOTE suddenly becomes a promise to pay??
Does the United States Bill of Rights represent a BILL that needs to be payed??
Really think about what you are saying, a single definition does not apply to every situation, Especially with words such as note and bill which have dozens of different definitions.
What do YOU think we should use for currency instead??
The question to ask before buying rhetoric like statements like “that was the gold standard days” is to ask yourself who stands the most to gain from your ignorance.
If I had a monopoly on your money, I’d tell you anything to maintain it. I’d bribe lexicographers (this has been done–research the history of Noah Webster), I’d bribe the media, and if I can’t I’d just buy them since I can do that with my government sanctioned money monopoly.
It’s worked wonders, look at the responses.
So if each one teach one about how this banking system works, the sooner we can put an end to the nonsense that RockerChic and everyone else gettin hosed. I.e. No thing from no thing gives bankers no thing. Labor for free.
Everything is basically prepaid because all the corporations are borrowing off of futures, which are borrowing from government which borrows from the Fed Rsrv.
If the Fed has the ONLY dollar that you borrow, how do you pay back the dollar + interest unless you borrow again?
….like they do federal reserve notes. And in law, the DEPOSITOR is the CREDITOR. EVERY LOAN in the U.S. (including credit cards) operates in this manner.
I can back all this up with THEIR own publications and rules and regulations. For example, most don’t know that Banks are forbidden by law to loan from their own capital stock. Check out 12 U.S.C. 83.
Of course I have to give the legal disclaimer that nothing I share is to be construed as legal advice. Just sharing what I’ve learned.
…(2) It’s a breach of agreement. The party that “funded” the loan, is the party that is to be repaid. So when YOU fund the loan, from the banks sell of your promise to the Fed or on the open market, then once there is a sell, there is no more debt.
I’ve canceled the so-called loans that I have because, accounting being the language of business, shows that there is no loan from them to me, but actually shows ME to be the creditor. WHY? Because the banks DEPOSITS promissory notes like they do..
So, all that to say in answering your question about why not just stop using the card.
Yes you can “just stop using the card.” But, my point was/is, it matters not whether we use them or not, because it is OUR credit that the “servicing” bank is using. WE are the source of the credit. It is the Banks that owe us. Why? How? Because when YOU give a promise to pay, what are you given in return? The Federal Reserve “promise to pay.” So, (1) a promise for a promise cancels each other out…
…all banks REALLY operate as brokers. They sell our promises to the FedReserve at a discount (the interest rate), and then give us back the proceeds as if THEY loaned us the so-called money at 100% plus interest, when what they are REALLY doing is “servicing” the so-called debt. Meaning they just “collect” on behalf of the FedRsrv. . . .
Today we don’t have a “monetary” system because there is only debt (promises) in circulation, we have a “credit system.” The people doing business as government use all of our property and their ability to tax us as collateral and credit to obtain loans from the Federal Reserve. The Federal Reserve is a PRIVATE for-profit corporation, given a complete monopoly on the money business. So EVERYBODY has to go to the FEDRSRV for ANY so-called money they need. Inter the member banks of the credit sys
…Credits & Collections written by Ettinger and Golieb, 3d Edition, 1950, on page 9, “Federal reserve notes, banknotes, and silver certificates, all of which are mere promises to pay, belong to this group.” That group being “credit instruments.” On page 2 it says, “a dollar bill and a promissory note are both forms of credit instruments, for both are promises to pay.”
I use this book as an example but is not by FAR the only book that supports the statements made. A NOTE is a NOTE is a NOTE.
But, the BIGGEST in your face proof is the fact that what most people believe to be dollars today is a NOTE. It says so…something mad4dskilz is unable to explain but has no problem using it to beat me over the head with in his attempts to shut down what I’m saying as insane is that statement “This NOTE is legal tender” (which isn’t even a statement but that’s another story).
You really have to find older books to discover the truth. For example…
…custom, the redemption part soon faded from memory. And most forgot that a paper Dollar Bill was a Bill for a Dollar. When the people doing business as government allowed the banks not to pay their BILLS, it became the system that we have now, where we have people like mad4dskilz denigrating others because of there own ignorance, because what a dollar is “in fact” faded from memory. But, there is still evidence that these BILLS are just that BILLS. Goog-le: 12 U.S.C. 411.
So when someone wants to get their money back they would bring their receipt (the BILL) to the bank for what they were owed redeem it for their money. . . the bankers soon realized that most people never redeemed their bills all at once and started making loans off of the gold on storage by issuing Bank Notes. Because most people just traded the BILLS anyway and let the person they “assigned” the rights to redeem the BILLS to go redeem them themselves if they chose to, eventually this common…
…according to rule of law (U.S. Const.) in regards to the U.S. monetary system. “Money” can ONLY be gold and silver.
Just keep that in mind for now. The history leading up to the current use of “paper” as money works like this: Gold and silver is measured. Congress “regulated” the amount that would be full measure of a dollar.
When people wanted to protect their money they would store it in the warehouse for money, the banks. The banks would then give a receipt (or claim ticket)
Eureka! Somebody open to “discuss” instead of insult. That’s almost it.
For right now, let’s discuss everything but the service fee and protection we’ll come back to that.
On a whole, the U.S. has rules to follow. The ULTIMATE in authority (as it relates to this discussion ONLY) is the U.S. Constitution. Change can ONLY be made by the amendment process. Any changes without utilizing the amendment process is null and void. No matter what’s done. So…
Laughed out of the court room? Hardly… I’ve canceled a student loan, a car loan, and a Home Equity Line of Credit. ALL of which I can substantiate with Documentation.
Enjoy your blissful ignorance and paying with your labor for nothing. LMAO!!! Later “MAD4DSKILZ”
Scribd is a site where an author can make a document available free. I have made “Debt Hope: Down and Dirty Survival Strategies” free to read on there for a limited time. You can’t download, you can’t print, but you can read the whole thing.
On the Creditboards site many many of the regulars have now read the book. They’re a tough audience and most of them have been around and around with creditors for years (or have stayed around to help others). The response has been overwhelmingly positive.
but it doesn’t answer the original question, why not just stop using a credit card. Because the credit card service is not as an investment tool, it is used as a convince tool
continue, now this 11,000 promise is used by banks as they wish. For example, they forward that promise to a corporation as an investment in lieu of cash. In hopes that said corporation will use the money to grow and then reward those who invested in them. This is usually through the purchasing of stocks.
I think that is what your point is,
I’m trying to understand your point, I really am.
So your saying that when I want to borrow say $10,000 from a bank to make some big purchase. That is my promise to pay back, and with interest say they’ll get $11,000. The extra $1000 being both a service fee and protection against the possibility that I won’t pay back. This promise now has a monetary value, just like a $100 dollar bill has the same monetary value as 100 $1 bills.
It’s called usury in our country when taking such outrageous apr’s
24% ?
do you even understand the point of a bank, it’s to make money. They provide a service, they make money off of it.
Thank you for saying loudly what we are ALL feeling. Much love!!!
The American “el Barzon” is being born as we speak, and I am proud to be a part of it.